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Back to the drawing board~
This case is like a jigsaw (no pun intended!) puzzle. You know when you do a jigsaw puzzle, you seperate all the end pieces with careful attention to locate the 4 corners so you can build your frame. Then you begin the tedious task of seperating the like colors, and pieces with different patterns on them and clump them together in the same pile. This is kind of what we are doing with this case.
My gut feeling tells me there has been a big change in the course of this investigation.
The Gj had suspended itself. The initial thought was Terri was responsible and the Gj was seeing witnesses who were obviously testifying against Terri as neither Terri nor her family were called to testify. If they were on the right track with Terri being responsible, they would have returned a True Bill.
This did not occur and despite all the flyers and recreated photos of where the truck was parked, a second person in the truck, etc.., the Gj suspended itself.
The Sheriff had to have the Sept 15 presser as a sort of PR/Rumor control impromtu interview. He apparently "slipped up", or so they claim, at a Business Brunch that a "Task Force" has been formed.
This case has had a "Task Force" in place since Kyron first diappeared. The only thing different about this presser was, both Kaine and Desiree were both out of town in Chicago taping or traveling from back from Chicago. Kaine and Desiree probably spent more time in make-up than they spent talking to Oprah on the show.
Was there a reason why Sheriff Staton chose to hold this at that time, or was it coincidential?
That being said, I also noticed a change in the Sheriff demeanor. He seemed up front, and confident in the direction the investigation is now going and the staff that would be responsible to bring this case to it's conclusion.
Since this presser, I have sat back and waited to see an increase in arrests and what type of arrests as this may indicate which route the investigators are following.
I've also noticed since the Oprah Show, neither biological parent, nor Tony, have stated anything publically that I am aware of. Correct me if I am incorrect. (This isn't about me and I take no offense being corrected, this is about Kyron.)
Certain things the Sheriff said leads me to believe the investigation has changed tack and the focus is no longer on Terri as first assumed. First off the biggie "Things that have been suspected, are no longer suspected". We all know the LS, MFH plot, the failed Sting Operation and the sexting with Michael Cook. We also remember the Gj suspending itself, with No True Bill.
"I believe that some of the information, through some of the discussions, there are going to be some concerns, not neccessarily cases, there may be cases, that come out of this, but through the discussion there are going to be issues that the Sheriff's Dept is going to have to address. I believe the Portland Police Bureau will be actively involved in that. Alot of these issues we wont address until we actually do a debrief on this investigation once it's come to a conclusion".
In addition, to this being an active criminal investigation, Kyron is also a minor- which minor's information is highly protected. This could be refering to a leak, other officer's sharing priviledged information with Tony.
To be continued~
*This is my opinion according to my observations.
My gut feeling tells me there has been a big change in the course of this investigation.
The Gj had suspended itself. The initial thought was Terri was responsible and the Gj was seeing witnesses who were obviously testifying against Terri as neither Terri nor her family were called to testify. If they were on the right track with Terri being responsible, they would have returned a True Bill.
This did not occur and despite all the flyers and recreated photos of where the truck was parked, a second person in the truck, etc.., the Gj suspended itself.
The Sheriff had to have the Sept 15 presser as a sort of PR/Rumor control impromtu interview. He apparently "slipped up", or so they claim, at a Business Brunch that a "Task Force" has been formed.
This case has had a "Task Force" in place since Kyron first diappeared. The only thing different about this presser was, both Kaine and Desiree were both out of town in Chicago taping or traveling from back from Chicago. Kaine and Desiree probably spent more time in make-up than they spent talking to Oprah on the show.
Was there a reason why Sheriff Staton chose to hold this at that time, or was it coincidential?
That being said, I also noticed a change in the Sheriff demeanor. He seemed up front, and confident in the direction the investigation is now going and the staff that would be responsible to bring this case to it's conclusion.
Since this presser, I have sat back and waited to see an increase in arrests and what type of arrests as this may indicate which route the investigators are following.
I've also noticed since the Oprah Show, neither biological parent, nor Tony, have stated anything publically that I am aware of. Correct me if I am incorrect. (This isn't about me and I take no offense being corrected, this is about Kyron.)
Certain things the Sheriff said leads me to believe the investigation has changed tack and the focus is no longer on Terri as first assumed. First off the biggie "Things that have been suspected, are no longer suspected". We all know the LS, MFH plot, the failed Sting Operation and the sexting with Michael Cook. We also remember the Gj suspending itself, with No True Bill.
"I believe that some of the information, through some of the discussions, there are going to be some concerns, not neccessarily cases, there may be cases, that come out of this, but through the discussion there are going to be issues that the Sheriff's Dept is going to have to address. I believe the Portland Police Bureau will be actively involved in that. Alot of these issues we wont address until we actually do a debrief on this investigation once it's come to a conclusion".
In addition, to this being an active criminal investigation, Kyron is also a minor- which minor's information is highly protected. This could be refering to a leak, other officer's sharing priviledged information with Tony.
To be continued~
*This is my opinion according to my observations.

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(they don't have sh!t!) kh
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I think you are right Calypso, there has been a big change in the investigation.. and I think it is very telling that the parents are not speaking out.. I, too, wonder whether this means that Kaine and Terri are in something together though I don't suspect for one minute that Terri is not involved at all (if she is not I will publicly eat my hat on Youtube just to give you all a larf!)..
I suspect that the big change in the investigation is because they realize that it wasnt Terri who was seen leaving the school with Kyron but someone else in Terri's truck with red hair..
They realize it can't be her cos she was checking out at Freddies at that point in time..
I am now suspecting (though I have no proof only speculation) that maybe Dede was in love with Terri (remember Jason Wishert said that Dede would never have another man in her life after him - well maybe she wouldnt - she would go back to women??). I suspect that would be her motive for helping Terri if she is involved.. maybe they were shipping Kyron off somewhere so that they can join him again one day somewhere else together.. or maybe this is all just some big crazy game a la Dungeons and Dragons, with all the codes being talked between Terri and her friends, and all the literary references and quotes etc.. I dunno..
I suspect that the big change in the investigation is because they realize that it wasnt Terri who was seen leaving the school with Kyron but someone else in Terri's truck with red hair..
They realize it can't be her cos she was checking out at Freddies at that point in time..
I am now suspecting (though I have no proof only speculation) that maybe Dede was in love with Terri (remember Jason Wishert said that Dede would never have another man in her life after him - well maybe she wouldnt - she would go back to women??). I suspect that would be her motive for helping Terri if she is involved.. maybe they were shipping Kyron off somewhere so that they can join him again one day somewhere else together.. or maybe this is all just some big crazy game a la Dungeons and Dragons, with all the codes being talked between Terri and her friends, and all the literary references and quotes etc.. I dunno..
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msollicito~ So happy to see you here. kh
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There is most likely more than 2 red-headed women in Portland. Jason seems to have some sort of problem from what I've read, with the fact that the relationship between him and Dede ended. And I'm also sure that there are way more people who drive a white truck than Kaine Horman. If Terri is at FM's in the white truck, then the white truck seen at the school after she left is not her's. Dede has/had a blue Suv. Original story says Dede was known to be working at the farm from around 8:00 am until 11:30 am, but after someone said they saw her leave at that time and return around 1 or 1:30 pm. And someone else (me) pointed out she may have took a lunch break, the time she left is now 9:00 am, amongst those who believe she even went to work. Some are saying she wasn't there at al, that she was the other person seen in the truck at school. The groundskeeper and Jason ? have a white truck. jason works with children and changed his name after his father's arrest. Couldn't Jason or someone who had it in for either Dede or Terri have been wearing a red wig?
And where was Kiara during the science fair? With Terri. Mrs. Porter in her earlier statements commented on the fact that Terri was holding Kiara and she was fussy because she had an earache. So Terri did not leave her in the truck with someone else. If in fact a witness saw someone around the truck, it is most likely they saw the person who is actually responsible for taking Kyron. Perhaps LE should have a sketch artist do a composite of what this person says the person looks like. The article is no longer available online. And another thing. It was not the substitute teacher who has a hearing problem--it is Mrs. Porter according to those posting who are from the area and have children who attend Skyline.
And where was Kiara during the science fair? With Terri. Mrs. Porter in her earlier statements commented on the fact that Terri was holding Kiara and she was fussy because she had an earache. So Terri did not leave her in the truck with someone else. If in fact a witness saw someone around the truck, it is most likely they saw the person who is actually responsible for taking Kyron. Perhaps LE should have a sketch artist do a composite of what this person says the person looks like. The article is no longer available online. And another thing. It was not the substitute teacher who has a hearing problem--it is Mrs. Porter according to those posting who are from the area and have children who attend Skyline.

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johnabelle wrote:There is most likely more than 2 red-headed women in Portland. Jason seems to have some sort of problem from what I've read, with the fact that the relationship between him and Dede ended. And I'm also sure that there are way more people who drive a white truck than Kaine Horman. If Terri is at FM's in the white truck, then the white truck seen at the school after she left is not her's. Dede has/had a blue Suv. Original story says Dede was known to be working at the farm from around 8:00 am until 11:30 am, but after someone said they saw her leave at that time and return around 1 or 1:30 pm. And someone else (me) pointed out she may have took a lunch break, the time she left is now 9:00 am, amongst those who believe she even went to work. Some are saying she wasn't there at al, that she was the other person seen in the truck at school. The groundskeeper and Jason ? have a white truck. jason works with children and changed his name after his father's arrest. Couldn't Jason or someone who had it in for either Dede or Terri have been wearing a red wig?
And where was Kiara during the science fair? With Terri. Mrs. Porter in her earlier statements commented on the fact that Terri was holding Kiara and she was fussy because she had an earache. So Terri did not leave her in the truck with someone else. If in fact a witness saw someone around the truck, it is most likely they saw the person who is actually responsible for taking Kyron. Perhaps LE should have a sketch artist do a composite of what this person says the person looks like. The article is no longer available online. And another thing. It was not the substitute teacher who has a hearing problem--it is Mrs. Porter according to those posting who are from the area and have children who attend Skyline.
I am sorry I am not being clear.. I believe the person who took Kyron from the school WAS driving Kaine Horman's truck - not just any old white truck - and it also had Terri's cellphone in it, pinging away.. but it wasn't Terri who was driving - I suspect it was an accomplice, possibly Dede.. Terri meanwhile was establishing her alibis at the two Freddies driving the red mustang - one in Hillsboro where she got a receipt and (I understand) was recorded on the security cameras.. and one in Walker Rd where she made a point of talking to Andrea from the Xtreme Fitness gym and telling her all about Kyron's project, Kiara in hand.. very deliberately setting up her alibi in my opinion so that the people in the school who said "Terri took Kyron" would be made to look like they were lying because it couldnt possibly be Terri - however, it was the Horman white pickup truck so I believe Terri knew who was driving it.. and I believe that person was deliberately trying to look as much like Terri as possible.. "a twin"
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Also, I had my suspicions about JW but I am prevented from talking about them for legal reasons sorry..
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>>Perhaps LE should have a sketch artist do a composite of what this person says the person looks like
Hee I dont think they would need to do a composite.. I think they would just have to give a name ;-)
Hee I dont think they would need to do a composite.. I think they would just have to give a name ;-)
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Sounds like a real s--t--r--e--t--c--h. Terri volunteers for the school on a regular basis, and they mistake her for Dede? I think not. It just makes no sense. Just like sneaking in to confuse people by taking the other car and chasing each other around.
"Yeah! Let's kidnap the kid, then go cruising around the island while we just know no one will ever put it together! And don't forget, we have the sick baby, so I need to run and find some meds on the way. And after she settles down I'm going to squeeze in a workout. No one will ever figure that one out! And we can get rid of Kyron along the way, and Dede can get back to work by lunch. Awesome!"
Doesn't make any sense at all.
"Yeah! Let's kidnap the kid, then go cruising around the island while we just know no one will ever put it together! And don't forget, we have the sick baby, so I need to run and find some meds on the way. And after she settles down I'm going to squeeze in a workout. No one will ever figure that one out! And we can get rid of Kyron along the way, and Dede can get back to work by lunch. Awesome!"
Doesn't make any sense at all.

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msollicito said :
I thought there was a picture of the white truck at Freddie's, wasn't there?
Terri meanwhile was establishing her alibis at the two Freddies driving the red mustang -
I thought there was a picture of the white truck at Freddie's, wasn't there?

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khintx wrote:(they don't have sh!t!) kh
I know that look~


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Calypso, great post.
I totally understand about building the framework, because I have actually worked many, many, many jigsaw puzzles - love them!
There does seem to be something "different" going on with LE and with the bio parents, too, at this time. I guess everything going so quiet is what's different.
GJ's don't always bring a True Bill. Remember the JonBenet' Ramsey GJ? Never did indict anyone!
I totally understand about building the framework, because I have actually worked many, many, many jigsaw puzzles - love them!
There does seem to be something "different" going on with LE and with the bio parents, too, at this time. I guess everything going so quiet is what's different.
GJ's don't always bring a True Bill. Remember the JonBenet' Ramsey GJ? Never did indict anyone!

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JW - talked about what a great reward it would be when Kyron comes home (or words to that effect). I've always wondered what was meant by reward?

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sitemama wrote:msollicito said :Terri meanwhile was establishing her alibis at the two Freddies driving the red mustang -
I thought there was a picture of the white truck at Freddie's, wasn't there?
That's what I thought, too.

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Below is a post from Blink on Crime's site made today (poster's comment first and Blink's response bolded)
I just don’t understand why Blnk is the ONLY source doing any investigative reporting on this case. It doesn’t make sense to me – the story has sex, dysfunction, mystery… why is there so much silence???
Because your not going to see another lead come out of this case until an arrest.
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Could this be related to why LE and bio parents are so quiet lately?
I just don’t understand why Blnk is the ONLY source doing any investigative reporting on this case. It doesn’t make sense to me – the story has sex, dysfunction, mystery… why is there so much silence???
Because your not going to see another lead come out of this case until an arrest.
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Could this be related to why LE and bio parents are so quiet lately?

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msollicito wrote:Also, I had my suspicions about JW but I am prevented from talking about them for legal reasons sorry..
Nah - JW is a blowhard... he won't sue you. Did you see on Blink where he threatened her and she told him that he was way off base - he made himself a public figure with the letter he wrote to OL and he can't sue you for telling the truth.

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sitemama wrote:msollicito said :Terri meanwhile was establishing her alibis at the two Freddies driving the red mustang -
I thought there was a picture of the white truck at Freddie's, wasn't there?
The photo of the white truck at Freddie's was "posed" by LE to "jog people's memories", it isn't an actual photo from June 4th.

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I think that something must have been testified to at the GJ that changed what LE knew - or the presser where they presented the photos brought out some piece of information that either cleared Terri OR changed their theory of who was involved with her.
RE: that question of Blink regarding investigative journalism - while her answer was interesting, I don't think it really answered the question. This case, with LE stonewalling everyone on the details, with 300 families at Skyline (well, less Tanner's family) keeping silent, with the entire staff at Skyline keeping their mouths shut - it is unprecedented. Additionally, the public interest in this case is very high - it is exaclty like a jigsaw puzzle, and too many pieces are missing to see the whole picture. So why is there no reporting on it? I mean real reporting, not just recapping press conferences? It just seems very odd to me.... something doesn't add up.
And poor sweet Kyron is still missing.
RE: that question of Blink regarding investigative journalism - while her answer was interesting, I don't think it really answered the question. This case, with LE stonewalling everyone on the details, with 300 families at Skyline (well, less Tanner's family) keeping silent, with the entire staff at Skyline keeping their mouths shut - it is unprecedented. Additionally, the public interest in this case is very high - it is exaclty like a jigsaw puzzle, and too many pieces are missing to see the whole picture. So why is there no reporting on it? I mean real reporting, not just recapping press conferences? It just seems very odd to me.... something doesn't add up.
And poor sweet Kyron is still missing.

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jigsaw wrote:sitemama wrote:msollicito said :Terri meanwhile was establishing her alibis at the two Freddies driving the red mustang -
I thought there was a picture of the white truck at Freddie's, wasn't there?
That's what I thought, too.
I may be confused.... but I thought that when LE sent out the fliers showing the white pickup from all angles and in different locations, it was not actually their white truck. It was a similar truck placed at locales that LE believed Terri to be that day...... so that it might
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